At some point in our lives, we've all received the patient advice, "go with the flow." But what happens when that flow is obstructed by dastardly diversions and deadbeat dams? In Gary Wockner's case, he gets a Ph.D. in environmental geography, writes countless articles, a book, and founds an advocacy organization, Save the Colorado, to help protect the world's rivers. In this episode, Brian chats with Gary about his important work and why saving the Colorado River requires a steady state economy.